Ming Gong 12 Palaces

[andywin08]

Thanks a lot Jellynut! I understand now. I had my bazi analyzed before but it's not helpful, only gave technical data but it gave me my life pillar and conception pillar so I know mine is Xin Wei but I didn't know how to derive it.

Do you treat your life pillar as a nayin and see how it reacts to your year (Age: 0-16), month (17-35), day (36-60), hour (60~) pillars so you know at which period of time you are happy about your life or not?

I found Ah_fu's topic on the Life pillar useful http://www.fivearts.net/index.php/topic,5313.msg68398.html#msg68398

[juniorpua]

Hi andywin08,
can you kindly help me on nayin interpretation
my nayin

year : Fire below Mountain
mth  : Roadway Earth
day  : Metal found in Sand
time : Soil at the Road

Next LP : Gold Foil

Ming Kong : Gold Foil

cheers

[andywin08]

Ok I'll try Juniorpua, haven't done this before so tell me if I'm wrong. It's experimentation time!  According to the info you've given me:

You had a hard childhood (0-16) since Fire (year) controls metal (life)
17-35 your life is turning and gradually getting better. (earth grows metal)
36-60 is where your life peaks (metal-metal)
60~ should start to move down very slowly back to around happy levels 17-35 (earth again)? Depends whether this nayin is weak or strong.

Mind you, Na Yin has their own stages of strength, I forgot where I got it from:

1.   戊子   己丑   霹靂火
•   Wu Zi, Ji Chou
•   Lightning
2.   丙寅   丁卯   爐中火
•   Bing Yin, Ding Mao
•   Fire in the Furnace
3.   甲辰   乙已   覆燈火
•   Jia Chen, Yi Si
•   Fire from the Lamp
4.   戊午   己未   天上火
•   Wu Wu, Ji Wei
•   Heavenly Fire
5.   丙申   丁酉   山下火
•   Bing Shen, Ding You
•   Fire from mountain slope
6.   甲戌   乙亥   山頭火
•   Jia Xu, Yi Hai
•   Fire from Volcano
 
where 1---> 6 means getting stronger. The strength of the na yin plays a vital part, I only have info regarding fire but not the others. Also I don't know the relevance of Na yin in Ming Gong...would appreciate some seniors shedding some light and some Nayin strength info of the other 4 energies

[Uma]

Hi,
Maybe this link could help
http://www.fivearts.net/index.php/topic,152.msg641.html#msg641
Cheers

[andywin08]

Ahh thanks for the link Uma, I saw it before but I was still adamant that there were still more uses for Na yin   

Also I want to ask, if there is a fuyin/fanyin on your life pillar from the LP or annual pillars, does that mean regardless to what your bazi chart (year, month, day, hour), your life at that period of time (e.g. Fan Yin) is in shambles?

[Achtzeichen]

Hi to all,

I saw that the thread is quite a few weeks left alone.

Qou were wondering how to determine the HS for the Ming Gong/12 Palaces. If I remember correctly from my Bazi course with Manfred Kubny, you simply take the year stem in a first step. Then you look at the combinations of heavenly stems (e.g. yang metal geng and yin wood yi combine to metal) and determine which elementary phase is combined to. The element which produces the combination is used as starting point in the counting.

Let me give you an example:

The year stem is yang metal (also true for yin wood). from the stem combinations we know that yang metal (or yin wood) combine to produce metal. Metal itself is produced by Earth.
So we count at Yin with the jiazi geng-mao clockwise until we reach the palace corresponding to the EB which was determined according to the given formula.

Let's say the EB for the MG ist Chen/Dragon. Then, the jiazi for the MG is ren-chen.

The next step involves the month pillar. According to the polarity of the pillar, the palaces are given in cw or ccw order. The sequence of the 12 palaces has already been posted
http://www.fivearts.net/index.php/topic,1160.msg66971.html#msg66971 here. For yang month pillar count cw, for yin month pillar count ccw.

Hope that helps to clarify.

Achtzeichen