Silent Push - Bazi

[Scorpiez]

Greetings!
              I hope someone could kindly assist in answering this query of mine.

              In Bazi, there's this Silent Push theory of which an invinsible animal is present in a chart containing another two animal branches that collectively make up a Tri-combination. It has been theoried that the two present branches push up the missing branch in the chart.

ie. If the Goat and Pig earthly branches are present in the chart, an invinsible 'Rabbit' is present and they give the chart an inherent Wood frame.

              I assume that this is also the case for other combinations like the Ox-Snake-Rooster, Tiger-Horse-Dog and Rat-Dragon-Monkey? If so, how do these 'invinsible' animal signs but yet secretly present affect a Bazi Chart?

Thank You.

Sincerely,
Gav

[cnyelie]

Are you refering to Joey Yap's second book on Bazi which discussed on Nelson Mandela's chart?  I'm also waiting for his 3rd book.....hopefully he explains further and
not leave it hanging. 

[Octavius]

can be read as additional element pushed out

[Afrodite]

This is what I have learned about the silent push:

The silent push only exists for the so-called cardinals with pure qi (MAO, YOU, ZI, WU) and when the “middle man” is missing.  E.g. you have HAI and WEI in your chart, the MAO is missing. There is “a silent MAO” influencing the chart.

For the silent push to materialize there also needs to be a correct HS (E.G.  MAO needs a YI HS, YOU needs a XIN HS , ZI needs a GUI HS and WU needs a DING HS).  Furthermore, the season (birth month) needs to be right (e.g. YIN/MAO/CHEN for MAO) (basically, same conditions as for any EB combination to be successful and to transform).

The silent push is there when the conditions are right as described above, but unfilled it is just some kind of background influence on the chart, a possibility. When it is filled with the annual pillar or the 10 –year pillar, it becomes obvious. Then you treat is as any EB (10 gods etc.).

This info came from somebody writing in another forum some years ago. She is a very knowledgeable and well-read person, and in my opinion, a very good teacher.  Unfortunately I cannot find the thread any more.

Afrodite

[Bazisuanming]

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[Scorpiez]

Thank You all for your very enlightening replies indeed! 

Yes! - The reason that prompted me to enquire was because of Joey Yap's book but his next book will be on 10 Gods and I'm apprehensive if indeed he'll delve further into this theory at all.  (to Cnyelie)

Afrodite - what an education that was thanks. But if I may, could I trouble you to explain how the silent 'Mao' (if conditions which you layed down are fufilled) would affect the chart? Could I assume that it'll just strengthen the Wood in the chart?

[Afrodite]

Afrodite - what an education that was thanks. But if I may, could I trouble you to explain how the silent 'Mao' (if conditions which you layed down are fufilled) would affect the chart? Could I assume that it'll just strengthen the Wood in the chart?

Very happy if I can be of help, being a complete novice in Bazi.

Yes that is how I understand it. It is like an extra EB and brings with it whatever effect an EB would bring. If it's the silent MAO showing up, you will have the complete 3 Harmony combination (wood frame) for the duration (like for the year in question if it comes with the annual pillar). And as the wood would becomes stronger other elements would weaken (water, metal, earth) and some strengthen (fire).  When you move one piece in a Bazi, everything moves.

So, let's say you are a GENG metal DM and wood is your wealth element. If it is a favourable element, the MAO would probably bring with it some money from normal day work, as YI represents conventional wealth for the GENG DM.

The 3H combinations are by nature (if I have understood this correctly) network -kind of combos so probably it would be a good idea to have a look at the elements involved to see whom (as a person) they represent to the DM.  E.g. YI wood for female GENG DM represents her father, for male DM his wife. Maybe it would be these people who would help to bring in the money??

Does it make any sense?

What I am wondering myself and hope that somebody would help us out here: does the silent push only work for the 3H combinations or also for the Directional (Seasonal) combinations where the Cardinals also sit in the middle?

Afrodite

[Scorpiez]

Yup totally agree - my perspective would be that an individual's chart with a silent push embedded (sticking with the invinsible 'Mao') should have his/her chart read with 5 instead of 4 EBs in consideration. I don't know if this is authoratative in the eyes of professional Bazi practitioners. But Afrodite, I'm sure you'ld agree that the influence of 'invinsible' stars cannot be underestimated?

I totally agree with what you illustrated Afrodite as it synchronises with Joey Yap's illustration of Nelson Mandela's where there was this 'Invinsible' Mao star in his chart based on his luck pillar and as his DM is Bing Fire, Mao (Yi wood)'s likened to resource and assistance. So indeed, this should be roughly how the Silent Push theory be inferred.
- Perspectives of 2 Bazi Novices

Welcoming more contributions for learning, please.

 

[Afrodite]

Let's us wait until somebody straitghtens us up 

Meanwhile, once I have the chance, I will have a look at my wide selection of friends' charts to see if I could find some with a silent push and if our way of seeing things works.

Have a good week-end!

[Scorpiez]

Cheers Afrodite!

Great Weekend to ya too.