Rat Hour = New Day in accordance to the Lunar Calendar

[Scorpiez]

Dear Fellow Threaders,
                               I would like to hear your opinions on this.

                               Rat Hour (子) reigns from 2300hrs - 0100hrs, which traditionally is the start of a New day according to ancient Bazi mechanism. From the numerous Bazi discussions and Professional Consultants I questioned, there seems to be a common convergence that the distinction of 晚子时 (Late Rat) and 早子时 (Early Rat) are but perverse attempts at distorting ancient regulations, in order to acclimatise the practise in line with the current time order where a new day strikes at 0000hrs and more so to simplify concepts for introduction of Chinese Metaphysics to the West. Apparently, the concept of the consideration of Qi has been largely neglected. The principle of Rat Hour being the mark off for the start of a new day intends that the Qi (position of the sun) has shifted to a new day and ended for the previous.

                               In any case, for individuals born within the Late Rat Hour (晚子时) - 23:00 to 0000hrs - your day pillar should be plotted in accordance to following day's.

[Manty]

Hi Scorpiomatrix:

You pose an interesting query.

Rat Hour (子) reigns from 2300hrs - 0100hrs, which traditionally is the start of a New day according to ancient Bazi mechanism.

Right.  Not only for Bazi.  In the same way that in the West and in all of Modernity and Postmodernity, the day starts at 00:00 hours, so in Ancient China and great part of Asia, the Day starts at what the Wests calls 11:00 pm or 23:00 hours. The Western way of reckoning time is a convention just as the Chinese way of reckoning time.  So, you should decide which convention to follow.  When I am doing Bazi, I follow the ancient Chinese convention.  When I go to work, I follow the current Western standard.

From the numerous Bazi discussions and Professional Consultants I questioned, there seems to be a common convergence that the distinction of 晚子时 (Late Rat) and 早子时 (Early Rat)... in order to acclimatise the practise in line with the current time order where a new day strikes at 0000hrs...

You are right again.  The modern notions of Late Rat and Early Rat is a view of the first double.hour of the Chinese day from the Western standard of reckoning time.

In any case, for individuals born within the Late Rat Hour (晚子时) - 23:00 to 0000hrs - your day pillar should be plotted in accordance to following day's.

This is easy.  It does not matter if your birthhour is Early Rat or Late Rat.  The key word is Rat.  So if you were born between 11:00 pm and 01:00 am, then you will chose the new day's date.  Think of 11:00 pm as 12:00 midnight and you will see it clearly. 

Happy bazi-ing (pronounced buzzing)

Manty

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[Scorpiez]

Dear meek,
               No one is saying anything about breaking up the Rat Hour at 0000hrs! This is fundamentally a wrong practice of numerous Bazi practitioners that I'm intending to highlight here, in fact.

              So, that's not what I'm purporting anyway but like what you say, that the Qi of a Rat Hour should be allowed to flow smoothly and that is within the span of 23:00hrs (11pm) of a current day to 01:00 (1am) of the following day. The distortion of the Rat hour according to 'New Age' concepts (which Yuan Hai Zi Ping must be frowning in the other world) into 晚子時 (Late Rat) and 早子時 (Early rat) should certainly be WRONG, as it certainly does not gel with the Bazi what our Chinese ancestors left for us.

              Want to adopt and learn Chinese Metaphysics? Then adopt conventional Chinese practise. Although I comprehend that it could be difficult for Westerners to envisage a new day starting at 23:00hrs (11pm) but hey, that's the deal in Chinese culture. We certainly cannot ignore the conventions of Bazi which has survived since its inception from the Xia Dynasty 夏朝 (21 B.C - 16 B.C) but then again, the metaphysics industry is a competitive business so each to his/her own. At the end of the day whether to gel or not lies in the hands of practitioners but without adhererance to ancestral conventions, the magic of Bazi can never be fully illuminated.

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Hi manty,

Talking about months - on the same basis of changing the day pillar at 0000 hrs, one would also start the new year pillar at 1st January!

Umm meek,
                I think what you mentioned is totally irrelevance and much more unnecessary. The issue is NOT about the day but the TIME! It is not that the day pillar is intentionally changed but IT MUST be in order for the Rat hour of 2 hours to fall in place.

                The Chinese New Year falls on the first day of Spring according to the Lunar Calendar, which is all about seasonal changes but for the time pillar, we are talking about Astrology a.k.a the Qi, which is the ratio/balance of the 5 elements (Wu Xing) that is present at a time of which a person is born. Do not mind me, but are you drilled on Chinese culture and astrology? - No Offence, honestly. 

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[Scorpiez]

Hi meek,
           Oh you are modest! I'm a Chinese but have not been to half of those cities you have mentioned.

           Please continue your persual in Bazi (if you are) as I'm sure it has much more to offer! 

Sincerely,
S. Matrix