About ZWDS 33 - Jumen the Dimming Star

[Tony Tan TH]

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[Yun]

Hi Tony

Could you tell me what it would mean for a person with Jumen in Self Domain that has been Hua Ji...Does that make it twice as bad (eg more annoying) ?? or would it mean two negatives perhaps would turn it to a positive?

Thanks in advance
Yun

[Yun]

BTW thanks heaps for your ZWDS sticky topics, they are really helpful and well written!!

[Tony Tan TH]

Hello Yun,

Could you tell me what it would mean for a person with Jumen in Self Domain that has been Hua Ji...Does that make it twice as bad (eg more annoying) ?? or would it mean two negatives perhaps would turn it to a positive?

Huaji the Negative Enhancer does not change a bad quality to good.  It enhances the negative quality of a star.  For Jumen Huaji in Self Domain, it means much trouble caused by bad talking.  It can indeed be more annoying.  The salvation is a bright Taiyang in the chart.  The advice is to be more cultivated for the person.

[Uma]

Hello Master Tony Tan and you,
Thank you for good topics that you send us to clarify our views and knowledge. I began studying with a teacher ZWDS Vietnam, Vo Van Em, that's why I keep trying to learn. My escuse for my bad English, I learn it as i am french, and also use the translator. I do not know as well the Chinese methods ZWDS. According VVE, "Jumen is represented by an emerald stone enclosed in a simple stone without value, need to be eroded, so that the gem appears." JUMEN in the case of the Rat or Horse symbolizes the intellectual world of high society, and it is mainly in these two cases is represented by an emerald encased in a stone. The native has a lot of talent, but the emerald of his genius can not shine and it has no chance. "
He added: "To break the gangue, so that the jewel appears and the native is in its proper place, both in respect of themselves in relation to society ; JUMEN will need the bars (BANG KONG / XUN KONG) or Etendarts (HUA LU, HUA QUAN, KE) or erosions (HAO XIAO, HAO DA), or (QING YANG, LUO TUO) is in the same box (domain). It while JUMEN means strength, stability, power, comfort and fit. The natives of years (QUY, water yin) are the most favored. "
I have great pleasure to read from you, and receive the information you transmit. What do you think of the action (BANG KONG / XUN KONG), is one case where VVE used for interpretation.
Receive my thanks
Best regards
Dominique

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Hello Yun,

Huaji the Negative Enhancer does not change a bad quality to good.  It enhances the negative quality of a star.  For Jumen Huaji in Self Domain, it means much trouble caused by bad talking.  It can indeed be more annoying.  The salvation is a bright Taiyang in the chart.  The advice is to be more cultivated for the person.

Hi Tony
I`m teaching at the moment and noticed that my yearly career palace has Ju Men with the natal hua lu, but yearly hua lu is in kids palace. Wen Qu- has hua ji in wife palace opposite ju men this year. Is this bad for teaching?

thanks

[Tony Tan TH]

Hello Dominique,

Thank you for your interest.  You have raised several points though they are on the same topic.  Let me break them up in different replies, because I have problems with my window for composing more than a short reply.

But, first of all, please allow me to help you with this:

Hello Master Tony Tan and you,

I believe you meant "Hello Master Tony Tan and all", when all refers to the other readers.   

By the way, I have learned French and Japanese before, but I am not at all proficient now as I have not practised them for decades.  French is a more direct language than English.   

It is not easy to keep Chinese and English pure in Singapore in the first place, which I am quite particular about it. 

[Tony Tan TH]

Hello Dominique,

According VVE, "Jumen is represented by an emerald stone enclosed in a simple stone without value, need to be eroded, so that the gem appears." JUMEN in the case of the Rat or Horse symbolizes the intellectual world of high society, and it is mainly in these two cases is represented by an emerald encased in a stone. The native has a lot of talent, but the emerald of his genius can not shine and it has no chance. "

What you have described is a formation called "Jade Hidden in the Rocks" (Shizhongyinyu).  It is a specific pattern for Jumen in either Zi (Rat) or Wu (Horse) house, but not a general description for Jumen.  You cannot use it to describe Jumen in other houses.

Secondly, there are conditions for the formation.  Jumen in the two houses must be attached with Hualu or Huaquan.  Without the two Enhancers, Lucun provides a lower grade of the formation.  When Jumen gets Adverse Stars instead of the above three, it is not regarded as such a formation anymore.

[Tony Tan TH]

Dominique,

He added: "To break the gangue, so that the jewel appears and the native is in its proper place, both in respect of themselves in relation to society ; JUMEN will need the bars (BANG KONG / XUN KONG) or Etendarts (HUA LU, HUA QUAN, KE) or erosions (HAO XIAO, HAO DA), or (QING YANG, LUO TUO) is in the same box (domain). It while JUMEN means strength, stability, power, comfort and fit. The natives of years (QUY, water yin) are the most favored. "

No, rather the oppositie.  According to original teachings, when Bangkong, Xunkong, Dahao, Xiaohao (not Hao Xiao, Hao Da), Qingyang, and Tuoluo are found in the same house with Jumen, they spoil the Shizhongyinyu formation. 

[Tony Tan TH]

Dominique,

...The natives of years (QUY, water yin) are the most favored. "

There is doubt in that, because there is contention on what is the element for Jumen.  My school says it is of Yin Earth and Yin Metal elements.  I personally have verified that Yin Earth is the most valid.