Which period do you use for the Flying Star chart of a property?

[ditto]

My opinion is that depends on the building structure as well as the apartment structure. The Qi entering point will be critical in taking moving-in and/or renovation date. When the point is manipulated, the internal period can be changed too.

[Steve R C Powell]

Hello everybody

In case of new building first inhabitant, choice is clear isn't?
In case of old house, not knowing building period, people there for a few years i use the chart that suits best  what happened in there!

Besides ther is a Dr. Ong Teatt who, on his website, says we actually are in P1 and Chou year due to precession of equinoxes!

Always check with what happens , after a few years practice you will know what is best for you

regards. Steve.

[mary]

Hi All,

I would use the contruction completion date or major renovation date, depending on the nature of the renovation.   When the house was first built is when the period chi entered the building.  It you wanted to change this chi, you would need to remove all of part of the roof so that the heavens could then meet with the earth again and breathe new life/chi into the building.   It has not been my experience that the chart changes with new occupants, only how the chart influences them and how they can influence the chart.

Certainly there are some variations to this with different types of buildings - but this is where I would start.

If I had the opportunity to walk through the building I would feel the chi to validate the chart/period and then match the experiences from the occupants to the chart.   

Regards,
Mary
 

[karenchantel]

Hello everybody

In case of new building first inhabitant, choice is clear isn't?
In case of old house, not knowing building period, people there for a few years i use the chart that suits best  what happened in there!

Besides ther is a Dr. Ong Teatt who, on his website, says we actually are in P1 and Chou year due to precession of equinoxes!

Always check with what happens , after a few years practice you will know what is best for you

regards. Steve.

Hi Steve,

The suggestion of using a few charts to determine the period to use may be good, BUT if we are doing an audit for a customer, such acts would naturally make our customer lose trust on our audit as we would have to check on certain events before we could came out with an actual audit.

From my experience, to find out the period (built) of an apartments is rather easy, as for the period (built) of an old house, the records can be obtain from the relevant authorities.

Checking of what happens in the past are part of an audit, we would usually ask questions and point out on certain events that may took place after we have came out with the chart, or even when we just arrives at the location/house as certain aspect could be determined even before the flying stars are chart. 

[Steve R C Powell]

Hello Karenchantel

I agree with you! it is just that as i am a beginner i cannot pretend to do an audit just straight on the spot: have to spend time on the external then only come to the place and see there what will be the best tool to use considering the data i can collect. 
then i can work and have a second visit with my written report to explain: these are the inconvenients of not being master Yang's avatar!
I found old houses out of reports in Paris, so used the current period -equal moving in period- with good results. 
Anyway i am more fan of luan tou and ba zhai: personal better affinity with space more than with time but of course you cannot separate the two!
use what you feel suits best  the actual situation for results! 
cheers Steve.

[karenchantel]

Hello Karenchantel

I agree with you! it is just that as i am a beginner i cannot pretend to do an audit just straight on the spot: have to spend time on the external then only come to the place and see there what will be the best tool to use considering the data i can collect. 
then i can work and have a second visit with my written report to explain: these are the inconvenients of not being master Yang's avatar!
I found old houses out of reports in Paris, so used the current period -equal moving in period- with good results. 
Anyway i am more fan of luan tou and ba zhai: personal better affinity with space more than with time but of course you cannot separate the two!
use what you feel suits best  the actual situation for results! 
cheers Steve.

Hi Steve R C Powell,

It doesn't matter a master or a beginner, both would need to observe the landform/external too.  I also needs to take a walk round the compound before any auditions can be made.   

I have heard of similar methods to urs (or is it the same?) for houses that is very old and can no longer obtain info on the actual building period. The explanation i got from such masters are since the actual period no longer can be trace back, and everyone believe and have take it as XXXX year as the building period,the chi of that period can "become" the base period.  Back in singapore, i've not encounter such experience thus i can't comment on it. Would like to know, how many such audit have u done? Cos if the number of case study is not huge enough, there might be a possibility that there is an coincidence.  That's just what i can think of in a logic way.  Hope to hear more abt such cases from people who are using such method. 

[learnerforlife]

I find it very interesting to see how many different methods people here are using for period of house. 
To me it should be impossible for all those people to get things right.
If the method really does work, then it works by one formula, and not all these. It would be a pure coincidencce that a person using construction date as period for house would get good results just like a person using move-in or current period stars for their house, which is the same house! Therefore I do not believe that those two or even three persons/families would have the same success story explained by a completely different sets of flying stars - that would just be too inaccurate. This is why I think there MUST be one method preceding other methods for period of house. There must be one method that is MORE and MOST accurate when taking case studies of 100 or more that proves how to use periods for flying stars method.
To think logical about it, MHO and my deduction of thoughts would tell me that it makes most sense that the flying stars of each house always change with each new period. I say this because Qi is ever changing and not static.

When the house was first built is when the period chi entered the building.  It you wanted to change this chi, you would need to remove all of part of the roof so that the heavens could then meet with the earth again and breathe new life/chi into the building.

This is what I find so strange to say about flying star method.
Even though Qi FIRST entered the building at some time back in the 30's or something - it would not stay static in the house. You would NOT have to remove the roof or windows for the ever moving Qi to enter your house... Qi is entering your house all the time, each and every day affecting you in new ways. Qi comes from all directions and it enters your house through all open windows and doors each and every day and is ever changing.

Those using flying stars method take into account that flying stars change each day, each month, each year and therefore should also change and be different each period.

This is how it is done in XKLF method - and makes most sense to me I have to say.
Each period carries with it new influences on each gua of luopan. Just like every month and year also carry different influences on each gua.
Should be the same or similar in each and every method of FS for them to be coherent and usable for all.

[xun]

Dear all,

How to prove Learnerforlife theory ? Who can see Qi ?
So maybe he can prove what theory is true and not true. Hope someday there is a member in this forum will clarify those theories.
XKFX or XKLF, Period when building in construction or when move in ?????????????? 

[expression]

Hi learnerforlife,

To think logical about it, MHO and my deduction of thoughts would tell me that it makes most sense that the flying stars of each house always change with each new period. I say this because Qi is ever changing and not static

This's another school of thought besides those you already know

[joe]

hi, in fengshui there is no explanation of qi, Qi is just Qi. use building construction is just fine for my audit. Thought sometimes is is difficult to trace the year it build , but sure there are ways you can if you wants to find out the year of build.

[costagnac]

Discussion is very interesting
So I have a queestion. Does exist the way to propper check that period change?
Maybe few examples how to check?

[weikee]

i use the first tenant move in date,

Unless the house have done major renovation and roof being taken out.

[sucast]

Hello to all, I have been using during many years the date of construction of the house, thinking that she was to most correct the classic way and.
But recently a teacher recommended to me that he proved the present date, because the Qi changes constantly, or that is what always there am leido.
Sometimes the base of the concepts is the correct ones. I do not dare to affirm what is most correct.
Sucast

[Door]

Hi all,

I am not sure if anyone of you have heard of a method called "改換天心法", literally translated as changing the heart method.  It is a method for changing the age of a house.  Most masters claim that a major renovation or a ceiling replacement at the center of the house will change the age of the house using this method.  Basically the "heaven heart", forgive my literal translation, refers to the center of the feixing chart and the reason why a major renovation is required is because it will also reset all the feixing in the sectors to the current age.

However, after some research, I have my reservations.  None of the classics actually refer to this.  Even 陽宅三十則 only talks about a change of the door location, resetting the age.  Does anyone out there have any comment or insight on this you will like to share with me on this topic? 

[weikee]

To change the period, i believe you need to do major renovation, with the roof open for many days, and also lots of earth work. My friend do FS audit, and he told me without real major renovation, your house is really still in the same period. and normally the FS guru will still use 2 chart to compare the history of the family to confirm if this is really changed.