A word of caution

[Bazisuanming]

Hi forum members,

A word of caution:
Online consultations and casestudies are may a good way to teach and learn, but can NEVER be a substitute for a face-to-face reading, as the cultural, social and personal background has a important role to play in the consultation.

Let me quote from the Neijing Suwen CH.77 'The 5 Failings of Physicians':

'Huang Di said: The first failing occurs in diagnosis. When a physician overlooks factors such as a patient's social and material status that could contribute to the development of disease...Lack of such observation is a loss to the physician of a valuable link that is essential in the accuracy of the diagnosis...............................

The third failing occurs when the physician lacks deductive reasoning. Much information about a patient's condition is gathered, in addition to careful observation of the body signs and inquiry of patient's symptoms (this corresponds in 4Pillar and ZWDS context to the life chart and basic questions about the problem), from lifestyle, occupation, social and family circumstances, emotional stress, and immediate environment. After gathering the pieces of information, it is the physician's task to utilize to his knowledge and analyse through deduction the entire picture of the patient's illness. Inability to do this limits the physician's effectiveness.'
The translation was taken from 'The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine' by Maoshing Ni,PhD

I think this approach is not only important in TCM, but in any divinitary system.

The same is valid for Feng Shui. Floorplans and photos are good and well, but do not substitute for an onsite visit.

So please if you have no other possiblity, by all means go on with an online consultation, but please be aware that because of its nature, (ie. no personal contact), many very important factors may get lost.

bzsm 

[Liong]

Hi forum members,

A word of caution:
Online consultations and casestudies are may a good way to teach and learn, but can NEVER be a substitute for a face-to-face reading, as the cultural, social and personal background has a important role to play in the consultation.

Let me quote from the Neijing Suwen CH.77 'The 5 Failings of Physicians':

'Huang Di said: The first failing occurs in diagnosis. When a physician overlooks factors such as a patient's social and material status that could contribute to the development of disease...Lack of such observation is a loss to the physician of a valuable link that is essential in the accuracy of the diagnosis...............................

The third failing occurs when the physician lacks deductive reasoning. Much information about a patient's condition is gathered, in addition to careful observation of the body signs and inquiry of patient's symptoms (this corresponds in 4Pillar and ZWDS context to the life chart and basic questions about the problem), from lifestyle, occupation, social and family circumstances, emotional stress, and immediate environment. After gathering the pieces of information, it is the physician's task to utilize to his knowledge and analyse through deduction the entire picture of the patient's illness. Inability to do this limits the physician's effectiveness.'
The translation was taken from 'The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine' by Maoshing Ni,PhD

I think this approach is not only important in TCM, but in any divinitary system.

The same is valid for Feng Shui. Floorplans and photos are good and well, but do not substitute for an onsite visit.

So please if you have no other possiblity, by all means go on with an online consultation, but please be aware that because of its nature, (ie. no personal contact), many very important factors may get lost.

bzsm 

Thanks BZSM for your wisdom. Very important and enlighten.
If you don't mind, where i can get the e-book of Huang Di Nei Jing?
Now i'm studying tcm, especially tcm herbology.

[Tanpai]

Hi All,

古人說：“船裝六壬
，車載遁甲”，言壬遁之學卷帙之多，
又有“壬五車，壬十萬，
壬白頭”，言六壬之難學難精。

The ancient said: “the ship installs the traditional fortune telling
, the vehicle carries the art of making oneself invisible”,
says the ninth stem to escape studies many book,
also has “the ninth stem five vehicles,
the ninth stem 100,000, the ninth stem old age”,
 says the traditional fortune telling difficultly to study the difficult essence.

六壬之理，淵幽浩博，非積以年月之沉思潛究，不能領悟。
易學家霍斐然言“六壬博大精深，學貫天人，甚至窮畢生之精力亦難盡其精蘊。”誠哉斯言。
Principle of the traditional fortune telling, deep pool quiet Zibo, the non-product dives ponder of by the years investigates, cannot comprehend.
The easy scientist Huo striking word “the traditional fortune telling to be broad and profound, studies passes through the beauty, even energy of also difficult its abstruse and profound content poor lifetime.”Honest Si Yan.
與同好共勉。with lives together harmoniously encourages each other.
 
 

[Tony in Harmony]

Dear Sir/Madam,


Thank you for the Chinese passage.  With no disrepect at all, may I have your permission to provide my version of the English translation, please?  I am fully billingual.   

古人說：“船裝六壬，車載遁甲”，言壬遁之學卷帙之多，又有“壬五車，壬十萬，壬白頭”，言六壬之難學難精。

The ancient said: “the ship installs the traditional fortune telling, the vehicle carries the art of making oneself invisible”, says the ninth stem to escape studies many book, also has “the ninth stem five vehicles, the ninth stem 100,000, the ninth stem old age”, says the traditional fortune telling difficultly to study the difficult essence.

六壬之理，淵幽浩博，非積以年月之沉思潛究，不能領悟。
易學家霍斐然言“六壬博大精深，學貫天人，甚至窮畢生之精力亦難盡其精蘊。”誠哉斯言。

Principle of the traditional fortune telling, deep pool quiet Zibo, the non-product dives ponder of by the years investigates, cannot comprehend.  The easy scientist Huo striking word “the traditional fortune telling to be broad and profound, studies passes through the beauty, even energy of also difficult its abstruse and profound content poor lifetime.”Honest Si Yan.

Truly,
Tony Tan
In Harmony

[Tony in Harmony]

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[Tanpai]

Dear Tony Tan,

I tell you thank you for having granted this distinguished translation very much from Chinese onto English.
That situation with me, how the Chinese  and English not my mother tongue .
I make the translations mechanically  with translator machines because of this,and I was worth the former text rather well.
The above quotations are about methods on Chinese Divination, but naturally the same situation with the western astrology.
Happened once, that I started learning  the western-occidental, greeek-astrology but I switched over  to the  Yi Jing, QMDJ and DLR.

Truly,

Tanpai

[Tony in Harmony]

Dear Tanpai,

I tell you thank you for having granted this distinguished translation very much from Chinese onto English.
That situation with me, how the Chinese and English not my mother tongue.

What is your native language then?  You have my respect for your effort in learning Chinese metaphysics. 

I make the translations mechanically with translator machines because of this, and I was worth the former text rather well.

Now, you cannot trust an electronic translator, can you? 



Truly,
Tony Tan

[Tanpai]

Dear Tony Tan,

My mother language is Hungarian. This very beautiful language, at us many Chinese edges and they   said, that this language the heaviest to learn. Where is the truth?
But I reckon that there are few men, who understand the metaphysical expressions totally, between the Chineses.!
The electronic translator is not able to give full translation but the reality  is that I understand the translated texts very much already.

There is a diverse expression, for which the help would be needed in the old texts, that I and everybody who is really concerned in DLR and QMDJ let  be able to proceed.

Can you add help to this in the future?

Truly

Tanpai

[Tony in Harmony]

Dear Tanpai,

Can you add help to this in the future?

Yes, as much as my time permits.  That is what I can also contribute to the forum here. 



Truly,
Tony Tan

[Ah Siong]

thank tanpai for your effort..
Tony ur translation is so wonderful..be able 2 decode chinese peotry words to great accuracy my kudo to u..tks u master
Regards
Siong

[ivancen]

thanks tony, am reading your book codes from heaven now, very well written

[Manty]

Hi Tanpai:

This is totally off-topic  .

My mother language is Hungarian. This very beautiful language,

When I studied philology many decades ago with a rather demanding but excellent teacher, I came upon a theory that HUNgarian language is related to the HAN language, han (漢) being one of the Chinese languages from which Mandarin sprang  out.  This is interesting because Ancient Turkish (not the current one heavily influenced by Arabic) seems to be related to the Altaic family of languages, one of which is Japanese.

One of my best friends is of Hungarian descent, well, his great grandfather was german but they have been a long time in Hungary... my friend was bread and born in the USA though he is fluent in Hungarian.  With him I have enjoyed the wonders of your culinary, especially with some Tokaje Itzu of a better number of putones as the ideal accompaniment.  He developed the Buddha Shape of Fortune way back when we were both college kids.  So even though I like Hungarian food I try to eat it like once or twice a year.  My loss.

Good eats!

Manty

[Tanpai]

Hi Manty,

Very special your idea from the origin of the Hungarian language, I recommend a writing:
http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/husa/language.htm [nofollow]
What kind of languages do you speak anyway? Can you  help with the interpretation of a Chinese text, than   DLR  and QMDJ ?

[chrismartin]

Hi all.

English is not my mother language too. But i hope, you all understand what i'm try to said.

I'm agree with bzsm, because i do the consultation too. Meeting face to face is very important for doing consultations. By that we can recheck the knowledge that we have about their condition, by face reading, hand reading or many ways.
If i do the online consultations, usually i will asking about their actual condition, their background, their body shape, their attitude, and others. That way i can recheck did my vision to their condition is match. But meeting face to face is still the best way to do the consultation. 

May all be happy

[gautam.rao]

Wov... quite intresting with a simple language to understand.

Gautam