Ji Yue Tong Liang formation

[WaterPig]

dear all,

i was told by a friend that my ZWDS chart has a Ji Yue Tong Liang formation... which says the main SanfangSizhen containing only : Tian Ji, Tai Yin, Tian Tong, and Tian Liang Stars. It is supposed to be one of the few main formations in SFSZ (another being Sha Po Lang). Questions:

1. what's the implication of this formation?
2. When it says - only Tian Ji, Tai Yin, Tian Tong, and Tian Liang Stars....does that mean no support/transform/anxillary stars present? or it is refering to the major 14 stars??
3. anything else about it?

Thanks all seniors.

[annutara]

This is best left for Master Tony

But I believe Ji Yue Tong Liang predisposes the person towards stuff that are more extra-worldy/not material.

This means that the person might be especially suited for spiritual pursuits. With some other stars (perhaps yin sha) the person might be endowed with ESP, ability to see Spirits, heightened sixth sense.

From another perspective, the person may appear to be dreamy and difficult to understand - but that's because his emphasis is not on material pleasures.

Are you Singaporean? Where did your friend learn zwds from? You seem to be good hands.

Annutara

[annutara]

Interesting. This is what I found about 机月同梁格
天机、太阴、天同、天梁会于三方四正时，就是所谓的“机、月、同、梁”格局。以十四正曜而論，三方四正之內只可會見天機、太陰、天同、天梁，如果加入其他正曜即不成格。所以能成為「機月同梁格」只能在寅申位的機陰及同梁同宮組合。

古书所说“机月同梁作吏人”，是指机月同梁座命的人多半稳打稳扎，不打没把握的仗，既不容易一飞冲天，一鸣惊人，也不致于全盘皆输，大起大落。

什麽是「机月同梁格」？

「机月同梁格」，是指在三方四正之内只遇见天机、太阴、天同、天梁星群，定位在寅申位置的四种架构。如紫贪卯局的天机太阴同宫在寅位、紫贪酉局的天机太阴同宫在申位、紫破丑局的天同天梁在申位、紫破未局的天同天梁在寅位，是为「机月同梁格」。

往日有言斗数者说「机月同梁格」这四种架构以庙旺平陷的角度来分析吉凶，平陷为缺点，庙旺为优点，而在四种架构中由于不可能四星曜同时入庙旺，因此「机月同梁格」这格局多缺点。

笔者觉得以庙旺平陷的角度来分析此格吉凶未可成定论，因为在这四种架构中只有紫破丑局，申位的「机月同梁格」天梁及太阴入陷垣，其馀三种架构入平垣及庙旺均存在，没有入陷垣，因此以庙旺平陷的角度来说落陷为凶只可以紫破丑局而言。

而从古书定格局中可以明白一些本对法则，亦可知道借星安宫非等于宫内星论。

一般言斗数者往往以机月同梁星群和杀破狼星群来粗糙分区，其中一个理由是机月同梁星群在古书中重为格局，所以甚为注视，但可惜机月同梁能成格必在寅申位置，并不必存在其他十位之内。

而另外的说法，斗数的十二格位置，不是遇见机月同梁星群便必遇见杀破狼星群，这当然是缺乏排盘经验及对定位架构不了解的片语谬言。

若要有细心留意机月同梁能成格是有一定的法则。

以十四正曜而论，三方四正之内只可会见天机、太阴、天同、天梁，如果加入其他正曜即不成格。所以能成为「机月同梁格」只能在寅申位的机阴及同梁同宫组合。


借星安宫后不等于宫内星论

有人言借星安宫后相同于宫内星论，看格局的法则即可了解真相。

例如紫贪在卯局，天机太阴在寅位，会见只有午位的天梁，戌位的天同，因此是为「机月同梁格」。而对宫申位是空宫，如果以借星安宫相同于宫内星论应该也是「机月同梁格」，可是申位除了被寅位的天机太阴冲照之外，也被辰位巨门、子位太阳平射，依「机月同梁格」的法则，只可见天机、太阴、天同、天梁这四颗星，即可以知道申位的空宫不可成格，如果不可成格这又如何是借星安宫后可以等于宫内星论？如果是不相同论，在空宫借星安宫后再夹制的某些位置，力量又是否可以成立呢？ 聪明的读者想一想之后便会明白！


「机月同梁格」有什麽特色？

古书有云：「寅申四曜命加临，宗祖根源定有成，刀笔之中宜卓立，荣华发旺在公门。」

什麽是公门？

文选。韦曜。博弈论：「故山甫勤于夙夜，而吴汉不离公门，岂有游情哉！」

文选。枚乘。七发：「纯粹全牺，献之公门。」

君门。礼记。曲礼下：「龟筴、几杖、席盖、重素、袗絺綌，不入公门。」

公门即是旧称政府官署，现代解释为有利从事政府机构或在大机构任职，也被人引用为打工命，不利创业。(本篇完)

[WaterPig]

Hi Annutara.

Thanks for the posting the classical text above. Unfortunately, i can't read chinese (most of it), and will probably wait for someone to translate it. It ll take me weeks. Hahaha. I am not from Singapore, but close. Originated from KL, i now reside in New Zealand. My friend is a fellow forumer here. hehe. She is teatree, a generous learner who is more than willing to share what she knows. *wink*

[teatree]

Hi WaterPig & Annutara,

Thank you for the description and classic text. I wasn't able to help much in learning, only told WaterPig whatever I have from my very limited findings  . It's good there are people like WaterPig who is so eager to learn, and expand the discussion. I just feel I'm not so inquisitive by nature, not good at formulating questions . Reading here and there, and always need so much time when using the online translator to get the meanings right. Definitely need the persistence and strong will to do this. The ZWDS notes that Annutara compiled really helps too  .

[WaterPig]

teatree, the notes are 400+ pages long. i haven't even gone past chapter 4.

hopefully Tony would have time to elucidate on this topic.

[ditto]

古书所说“机月同梁作吏人”，是指机月同梁座命的人多半稳打稳扎，不打没把握的仗，既不容易一飞冲天，一鸣惊人，也不致于全盘皆输，大起大落。

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「机月同梁格」有什麽特色？

古书有云：「寅申四曜命加临，宗祖根源定有成，刀笔之中宜卓立，荣华发旺在公门。」

什麽是公门？

文选。韦曜。博弈论：「故山甫勤于夙夜，而吴汉不离公门，岂有游情哉！」

文选。枚乘。七发：「纯粹全牺，献之公门。」

君门。礼记。曲礼下：「龟筴、几杖、席盖、重素、袗絺綌，不入公门。」

公门即是旧称政府官署，现代解释为有利从事政府机构或在大机构任职，也被人引用为打工命，不利创业。(本篇完)

Ji-Yue-Tong-Liang tend to analyze till they paralyze. Very different from Sha-Po-Lang characteristics who will do first, think later. Very different from Wu Qu's straightforward and direct actions. JYTL tends to have too many considerations; thus not suggested to be business owners (they will not lose out in creativeness; they might lose out because they are not the first-movers).

[WaterPig]

Thank you Snr Capriken. No wonder everyone say you are the master in this topic. (and very generous with your info/time too). *hint: maybe u can help me analyze my zwds chart..hahaha*

anyway, i like (dislike) the statement "analyze till they paralyze", coz i think i am like that sometimes. I find it easier to be advisor to someone than to be decision maker myself. Perhaps JYTL is destined to be zhuge liang - never zhang fei (sha po la) or Guan Yu (the best of both)...

[teatree]

Thanks Capriken, Annutara for the translation, and WaterPig for bringing this up  .

[laphard]

There's an interesting topic on a book i read, and i wants to share it with all.

There are 2 types of formations in a chart. First is sha-po-lang (i will call this SPL), the other will be ji-yue-tong-liang(i will call this JYTL).

Using these 2 formations, we break the stars into 2 groups. Each group will depends on what stars each formations can meet.

SPL formation: ZiWei, Wu Qu, Lian Zhen, Tian Fu, Tan lang, tian Xian, Qi Sha, Po Jun.

JYTL formation: Tian ji, Tai Yang, Tian Tong, Tai Yin, Ju Men, Tian Liang.

If you see Sha, Po or Lang in your life or travel palace you will be in the SPL formation. If you see Ji, Yue, Tong or Liang in life or Travel, you will be in the JYTL formation.

How does this affect  you?
SPL means Yang, means moving or 武(warrior)。
JYTL means Yin, means quiet (or not moving) or 文(scolar)。

if you opserve your life chart, if you start with SPL, the next LP will be JYTL, the third will be back to SPL. And so on.

如此可见，一阴一阳为道，无论你是阳名或阴命， 都脱离不了这个自然的＇大道观律＇。 As you can see, yin yang is dao( the path/, no matter you are guy or girl, u still cannot escape this natural process.

[ditto]

如此可见，一阴一阳为道，无论你是阳名或阴命， 都脱离不了这个自然的＇大道观律＇。 As you can see, yin yang is dao( the path/, no matter you are guy or girl, u still cannot escape this natural process.

Some thoughts,

"Although all things has its own place, it does not mean we cannot make choices.

Although we can make choices, it does not mean there is nothing in place.

Although we can make choices and all things has its own place, it does not mean anything, everything, something, and nothing.

Live the best of Now; Walk the Middle Path."

[laphard]

Some thoughts,

"Although all things has its own place, it does not mean we cannot make choices.

Although we can make choices, it does not mean there is nothing in place.

Although we can make choices and all things has its own place, it does not mean anything, everything, something, and nothing.

Live the best of Now; Walk the Middle Path."

Hi Capriken! Long time no chat with you! Hope you have been well!

I do agree with you. Learning metaphyics, i understand we can make a change to our lifes.

But first we must understand what conditions of our life are in. Then changes can be make.

For buddhist teaching, 了凡 teaches us a way to change life. That book teaches me alot, and some of my believes are based on it. Just that  to my personnal believe, even if one knows the way, he may not follows.

Just my 2 cent. Nice chatting with you again.

Cheers,
L

[ditto]

Hi Capriken! Long time no chat with you! Hope you have been well!

I do agree with you. Learning metaphyics, i understand we can make a change to our lifes.

But first we must understand what conditions of our life are in. Then changes can be make.

For buddhist teaching, 了凡 teaches us a way to change life. That book teaches me alot, and some of my believes are based on it. Just that  to my personnal believe, even if one knows the way, he may not follows.

Just my 2 cent. Nice chatting with you again.

Cheers,
L

[RenZi]

Hi Capriken! Long time no chat with you! Hope you have been well!

I do agree with you. Learning metaphyics, i understand we can make a change to our lifes.

But first we must understand what conditions of our life are in. Then changes can be make.

For buddhist teaching, 了凡 teaches us a way to change life. That book teaches me alot, and some of my believes are based on it. Just that  to my personnal believe, even if one knows the way, he may not follows.

Just my 2 cent. Nice chatting with you again.

Cheers,
L

hi laphard,

do you find that liao fan si xun help ?
do you practice the jwun ti mantra ?
is there a "right" way to chant it ?

Cheers,
RenZi

[kimliong]

IMHO,...Ji Yue Tong Liang just tell us about formation in ZWDS Chart. Most of the cases when a person life's palace move to this formation.. it can be said that wealth luck more easier than Sha Po Lang