Timing in Ba Zhai.Cycle of Waxing and waning.

[akaO]

Hi DooDoo,

Could we use these principals with both 8 directions and 24 directions Ba Zhai ?

Yes,i use it for almost anything,8 directions,travelling but not for the 24 mountains.I have not use timing on the 24 mountains,have not learned it that way.I have looked at it.


akaO

[akaO]

Hi fuguewisp

I will mention that according to my Bazi Wood is not so good for me and I am gua 9.  Is this something to worry about if I attempt to apply?

If you apply what?
I don't know.You are now combining 4p and Ba Zhai.

akaO

[fuguewisp]

Hi fuguewispIf you apply what?
I don't know.You are now combining 4p and Ba Zhai.

akaO

Oh I was just wondering.  No need to apply Bazi I think.

What I mean is using what you mention, I have a large window and Hai and I have my bedroom door at Hai.  Just want to try to open there with the right timing to see what happens.  But is my gua is 9 (fire) and a try to activate this Wood Frame, any bad consequences?

Naturally, I want good consequences. 

[devadog]

I have a large window and Hai and I have my bedroom door at Hai.  Just want to try to open there with the right timing to see what happens.  But is my gua is 9 (fire) and a try to activate this Wood Frame, any bad consequences?

Can you activate a frame by opening a window? Are the two hai the same thing?

Robert

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[akaO]

The timing is a cycle of waxing and waning of Qi.
Stars can be most active at times and other times in decline or stagnant.
This may be helpfull to know when it may affect you or when to make use of it or to avoid it.

This should already explain what it actually is.

To summarize it.

Sheng Qi and Fu Wei are active in the years and months when the Earthly Branches are,Hai and Mao.
Tian Yi and Ho Hai are active in the years and months,Chen-Chou-Xu and Wei.
Jue Ming and Yan Nian are active in the years and months,Si,You.
Wu Gui is active in the years and months,Yin and Wu.
Liu Sha is active in the years and months,Shen and Zi.

With active it means,that its in its peak,it might affect you more when its in its peak or the signs most likely show.
Now you know that Sheng Qi or any other stars isn't always effective when you are using it.
The signs of Jue Ming or any other stars might show when the timing is right(also don't forget other factors,it need the right conditions)

akaO

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[costagnac]

Stem have also their own trigrams. can we use that for stem?

[candlelight]

Ba Zhai is getting clearer and interesting thanks to Akao.
Regards

[devadog]

Hi all,

I wanted to understand this in practice, so I reviewed my business success and failures over the past five years that I have been in this office

While I have moved my desk and my facing five times during this period     I have remained in the SW sector of the building all the time.  The house is xu sitting, so a qian house. SW is a weak yan nian.
I am a ming gua 3, so SW is a stronger (but mellow?) hou hai for me

The results:
Out of 38 projects for which I submitted proposals

          10 were successful projects and NOT ONE of them was proposed during April, July or October
                The one year that October was good was 2004 a water trinity year. That year I was facing my sheng qi in the South
         
          Of the 28 that went no where:
               13 were proposed during hou hai months (April, July, Oct)
                 4 were proposed during August (liu sha) - three of those while I was sitting in the small tai ji liu sha North
                    The one year that August brought a great new project was a metal year: I suppose weakening liu sha?
                 4 were proposed during May (jue ming and yan nian) SW is the house's nan yian

Although chen, wei, xu and gen are all earth, their relationship with the trinities of water, wood, metal and fire may create some subtle differences amonget the earth effects? (the hou hai of April is not the hou hai of October?)

So what to make of this?
That an earth star (hou hai) in an earth palace is stronger than a metal star (yan nian)?
Especially with an Earth form hill in the SW?
That even hou hai cannot be ignored? That I need to place some growing plants in the fu wei sector?
That I need to take date selection very seriously?
 

I hope you find this helpful 
(If you're interested, there's a bit more info in this thread: http://www.fivearts.net/index.php/topic,675.0.html)

Robert

[akaO]

Hi Robert.  

While I have moved my desk and my facing five times during this period     I have remained in the SW sector of the building all the time.  The house is xu sitting, so a qian house. SW is a weak yan nian.
I am a ming gua 3, so SW is a stronger (but mellow?) hou hai for me

Yan Nian is not weak when its in the SW.
Is not good for a 3 Gua but it should not to be that bad.

The results:
Out of 38 projects for which I submitted proposals

          10 were successful projects and NOT ONE of them was proposed during April, July or October
                The one year that October was good was 2004 a water trinity year. That year I was facing my sheng qi in the South
         
          Of the 28 that went no where:
               13 were proposed during hou hai months (April, July, Oct)
                 4 were proposed during August (liu sha) - three of those while I was sitting in the small tai ji liu sha North
                    The one year that August brought a great new project was a metal year: I suppose weakening liu sha?
                 4 were proposed during May (jue ming and yan nian) SW is the house's nan yian

This is very interesting.
In a metal year Liu Sha is not really weakend.

So what to make of this?
That an earth star (hou hai) in an earth palace is stronger than a metal star (yan nian)?
Especially with an Earth form hill in the SW?
That even hou hai cannot be ignored? That I need to place some growing plants in the fu wei sector?

A bad star can affect you but how strong it is depends on where it is(yess...i know...the same old story.....  )
In which of the mountains can you see the Earth Hill.
You can try plants but that would not be effective,what might help is using Fu Wei or actually not Fu Wei but another Star.
You are forgetting that there is also the frontdoor or the door you most use,the bed/bedroom,stove and even doors.

Robert,thanks for sharing with us.

Maybe we need to have more casestudies to make it more interesting...........


akaO

[devadog]

Yan Nian is not weak when its in the SW.
Is not good for a 3 Gua but it should not to be that bad.

In a metal year Liu Sha is not really weakend.

In which of the mountains can you see the Earth Hill.
You can try plants but that would not be effective,what might help is using Fu Wei or actually not Fu Wei but another Star.
You are forgetting that there is also the frontdoor or the door you most use,the bed/bedroom,stove and even doors.

So best for each ming gua to use Star that supports them (gua 3 best in sheng qi or fu wei)?
Is the opposite true: is a gua 9 less affected by jue ming...or just different ?

Would you say lui sha is stronger in a metal yerar? Or doesn't wu xing really apply here?

I think the Earth hill is in shen. It's sides are bare rock.

Good reminder about other stars to tap. House front door is in my fu wei. House kitchen is house fu wei.
Office has too many doors (to house, to garage, to outdoor deck). I probably use door to house the most and that is in tian yi  ( or my lui sha)

Of course my history does not include xung kong side of the story. And I don't even want to think about what ba zi would make of it 

Robert

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[devadog]

Do you use the kitchen/stove alot?It should face a good direction.

Hi akaO

We do cook three meals a day there. The stove is almost in the exact center of the house, so hard to assign it a sector. Probably Sw (in precise pie chart), although the majority of the kitchen is NW (yes yes, fire at heavens' gate). The stove certainly faces NW.  )fu wei of house, we gui of me, yan nian of other ming gua 2 in house) So I imagine it's all wrong! 

 

No.I did not said that.Liu Sha is ''stronger'' when its water year and month.
Looking at a metal year is important but Liu Sha is not in its peak.Its like if i use and compare it to Sheng and Wang.Liu Sha is Wang when its a Water year or Month.Its not Wang when its a Metal year.

Just as I thought. wu xing effect, but not the greatest. I assume these stars wax and wane like any other.
Reviewing your earlier posts, I see that guest-host and timing are best way to see relative strength and usefulnes of stars. Much simpler, too, then spinning out of control on wu xing posssibilities.

As to the hill, see attached. The flat topped, flat sided hill to the left is in shen. (Here in the New York City area, these hills are called 'The Palisades" because they resemble a wooded fortress)

Robert

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[devadog]

akaO,

This has been a great lesson. Thank-you.

It shows both the possibilities and limitations of ba zhai, I think. Like any method, it's important to know when, if, and how it can be utilized.

Did you know that there is a theory in Ba Zhai that look at the MingGua for compatibility.A 3 Gua person is Ho Hai to a 2 Gua person and vice versa...... ..So better to look for a 1 Ming Gua person or a 4 MGua person  (I like Ba Zhai but this is a bit too much for me.....)

I was thinking it's smarter just to change the Birth Certificate. Choose your own minggua!

Robert

[akaO]

Hey Robert,

It shows both the possibilities and limitations of ba zhai, I think. Like any method, it's important to know when, if, and how it can be utilized.

Yes.

This has been a great lesson. Thank-you.

Good to hear.There is no need to thank me,you always ask good questions.

I was thinking it's smarter just to change the Birth Certificate. Choose your own minggua!

Naaah,not for me......So much trouble................gives me a good reason to break up with.........
Now off to find me someone who is Sheng Qi to my Ming Gua

akaO

[relic]

Hi akaO,

Last year it was a Xu year.Xu belongs to Yin,Wu,Xu=Fire.According to my school of thought Xu does not have the strength to be active that means that Fire is not active in that year,don't forget it still belongs to the fire frame but its not in its peak.Its Earth Qi thats active.The same for the branches Chen,Wei and Chou they all belong to a frame but Water,Wood or Metal Qi are not in its peak when the branches are Chen,Wei and Chou.
So,Wu Gui should be active but it isn't.

Chen,Xu,Wei and Chou,Earth is in its peak.

akaO

Is Huo Hai more active in the month of Chou/Wei or Chen/Xu?

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