12 Qi Phases.

[meek]

Five Arts usage:
- Da Liu Ren
- Four Pillars Bazi
- Najia System of Yi Jing (thanks to Bazisuanming)
- Qi Men Dun Jia
- San He (thanks to Bazisuanming)
- Zi Wei Dou Shu (thanks to ling)


Please feel free to post other usage that you know of.?

[meek]

1. Yin Yang 5 Elements 12 Qi Phases Table
Yang HS (odd number) moves forward (clockwise) in the EB plate. Yin HS (even number) moves backward (anti-clockwise) in the EB plate.

HS1

HS2

HS3

HS4

HS5

HS6

HS7

HS8

HS9

HS10

长生

zhǎng shēng

Birth

EB12

EB7

EB3

EB10

EB3

EB10

EB6

EB1

EB9

EB4

沐浴

mù yù

Bath

EB1

EB6

EB4

EB9

EB4

EB9

EB7

EB12

EB10

EB3

冠带

guàn dài

Attire

EB2

EB5

EB5

EB8

EB5

EB8

EB8

EB11

EB11

EB2

临官

lín guān

Coming of Age

EB3

EB4

EB6

EB7

EB6

EB7

EB9

EB10

EB12

EB1

帝旺

dì wàng

Prosperity Peak

EB4

EB3

EB7

EB6

EB7

EB6

EB10

EB9

EB1

EB12

衰

shuāi

Aging

EB5

EB2

EB8

EB5

EB8

EB5

EB11

EB8

EB2

EB11

病

bìng

Sickness

EB6

EB1

EB9

EB4

EB9

EB4

EB12

EB7

EB3

EB10

死

sǐ

Death

EB7

EB12

EB10

EB3

EB10

EB3

EB1

EB6

EB4

EB9

墓

mù

Tomb

EB8

EB11

EB11

EB2

EB11

EB2

EB2

EB5

EB5

EB8

绝

jué

Repose

EB9

EB10

EB12

EB1

EB12

EB1

EB3

EB4

EB6

EB7

胎

tāi

Womb

EB10

EB9

EB1

EB12

EB1

EB12

EB4

EB3

EB7

EB6

养

yǎng

Gestation

EB11

EB8

EB2

EB11

EB2

EB11

EB5

EB2

EB8

EB5

[meek]

2. Five Elements 12 Qi Phases Table
Both Yang HS and Yin HS moves forward (clockwise) in the EB plate.

			HS1 HS2	HS3 HS4 HS5 HS6	HS7 HS8	HS9 HS10
长生	zhǎng shēng	Birth	EB12	EB3	EB6	EB9
沐浴	mù yù	Bath	EB1	EB4	EB7	EB10
冠带	guàn dài	Attire	EB2	EB5	EB8	EB11
临官	lín guān	Coming of Age	EB3	EB6	EB9	EB12
帝旺	dì wàng	Prosperity Peak	EB4	EB7	EB10	EB1
衰	shuāi	Aging	EB5	EB8	EB11	EB2
病	bìng	Sickness	EB6	EB9	EB12	EB3
死	sǐ	Death	EB7	EB10	EB1	EB4
墓	mù	Tomb	EB8	EB11	EB2	EB5
绝	jué	Repose	EB9	EB12	EB3	EB6
胎	tāi	Womb	EB10	EB1	EB4	EB7
养	yǎng	Gestation	EB11	EB2	EB5	EB8

[ling]

Hi, 

zi wei dou shu also uses 12 qi phases

 

[Bazisuanming]

Hi 

San He and the Najia System of Yi Jing

 

[dean]

Does anyone know why the change with the modern table? If the traditional works, why change it?

Dean

[meek]

Hi Dean,

Now I think I should change the word 'modern' to Five Elements Qi Phases as it better/correctly describe the whole idea. By the name you can tell why it is different from the first table.

One area we can find the common use for this second table is in San He (triangular combinations of EB). For example:
EB12 (birth) + EB4 (prosperity peak) + EB8 (tomb) = Wood
EB3 (birth) + EB7 (prosperity peak) + Eb11 (tomb) = Fire
EB6 (birth) + EB10 (prosperity peak) + EB2 (tomb) = Metal
EB9 (birth) + Eb1 (prosperity peak) + EB5 (tomb) = Water

San He teaching will always mention that the combinations consist of (birth) + (prosperity peak) + (tomb) = element

 

[dean]

Ahh, makes sense. San He is school that I've only studied quite briefly, Thanks Meek. 

Do you or anyone else have experience in assessing the difference between the two in actual 4P charts?

All the best
Dean

[Banned: mystery]

Hi Ling and other maintainers,

Meek is very busy moving this site to another server, could someone please advise me the missing alphabets?

Thanks.

Thanks, Meek for taking the time in doing this. 

What are the missing alphabets next to "s" and "y":  死 sǐ Death, 养 yǎng Gestation?

[candlelight]

"What are the missing alphabets next to "s" and "y":  死 sǐ Death, 养 yǎng Gestation?"

si - Death
yang - Gestation

[Banned: mystery]

Hi candlelight!

Thank you.

After the move to the new server, some of the alphabets were replaced with question marks. 

[ling]

Hi mystery 

Meek is very busy moving this site to another server, could someone please advise me the missing alphabets?

You mean the aphabets before 'S' & 'Y'? It's a chinese character.   

Cheers,
-ling-

[Banned: mystery]

Hi ling

You mean the aphabets before 'S' & 'Y'? It's a chinese character.   

I know that they are Chinese fonts. I was referring to the question marks ->> m? y? ; gu?n d?i << - it's difficult to refer to the messages in question because the posts are not numbered. 

Take care.

[relic]

Hi mystery,

They are Pinyin,
                                                    Stages of Qi
Chang Sheng 長 生 Growth----------------(1st)
Mu Yu 沐 浴 Bath-------------------------(2nd)
Guan Dai 冠 帶 Youth/Attire---------------(3rd)
Lin Guan 臨 官 Officer/Coming to Age------(4th)
Di Wang 蒂 旺 Prosperity Peak-------------(5th)
Shuai 衰 Weakening/Aging-----------------(6th)
Bing 病 Sick/Sickness---------------------(7th)
Si 死 Death-------------------------------(8th)
Mu 墓 Grave/Tomb------------------------(9th)
Jue 絕 Extinction/Repose------------------(10th)
Tai 胎 Conceived/Womb-------------------(11th)
Yang 養 Nourishing/Gestation--------------(12th)

 

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relic

[meek]

it's difficult to refer to the messages in question because the posts are not numbered. 

Each post is numbered. Your last post was post no #12 see ...

Re: 12 Qi Phases.
 Reply #12 on: ...

 

[Banned: mystery]

Hi meek,

Each post is numbered. Your last post was post no #12 see ...

Re: 12 Qi Phases.
 Reply #12 on: ...

 

Sorry for my bad explanation. Yes, the posts are numbered but the numbers don't appear when I'm replying to the poster. The posts were not numbered below the reply box - see the messages I copied below the reply box (try it by yourself to see what I mean):

Posted by: meek 
Insert Quote
Quote from: mystery on Today at 04:34:49 AM
it's difficult to refer to the messages in question because the posts are not numbered. 


Each post is numbered. Your last post was post no #12 see ...

Re: 12 Qi Phases.
 Reply #12 on: ...

 
Posted on: Today at 10:42:35 AMPosted by: relic 
Insert Quote
Hi mystery,

They are Pinyin,
                                                    Stages of Qi
Chang Sheng 長 生 Growth----------------(1st)
Mu Yu 沐 浴 Bath-------------------------(2nd)
Guan Dai 冠 帶 Youth/Attire---------------(3rd)
Lin Guan 臨 官 Officer/Coming to Age------(4th)
Di Wang 蒂 旺 Prosperity Peak-------------(5th)
Shuai 衰 Weakening/Aging-----------------(6th)
Bing 病 Sick/Sickness---------------------(7th)
Si 死 Death-------------------------------(8th)
Mu 墓 Grave/Tomb------------------------(9th)
Jue 絕 Extinction/Repose------------------(10th)
Tai 胎 Conceived/Womb-------------------(11th)
Yang 養 Nourishing/Gestation--------------(12th)

 

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relic
Posted on: Today at 04:34:49 AMPosted by: mystery 
Insert Quote
Hi ling


Quote from: ling on Yesterday at 01:11:19 PM
You mean the aphabets before 'S' & 'Y'? It's a chinese character.   

I know that they are Chinese fonts. I was referring to the question marks ->> m? y? ; gu?n d?i << - it's difficult to refer to the messages in question because the posts are not numbered. 

[Banned: mystery]

Hi relic,

They are Pinyin,
                                                    Stages of Qi
Chang Sheng 長 生 Growth----------------(1st)
Mu Yu 沐 浴 Bath-------------------------(2nd)
Guan Dai 冠 帶 Youth/Attire---------------(3rd)
Lin Guan 臨 官 Officer/Coming to Age------(4th)
Di Wang 蒂 旺 Prosperity Peak-------------(5th)
Shuai 衰 Weakening/Aging-----------------(6th)
Bing 病 Sick/Sickness---------------------(7th)
Si 死 Death-------------------------------(8th)
Mu 墓 Grave/Tomb------------------------(9th)
Jue 絕 Extinction/Repose------------------(10th)
Tai 胎 Conceived/Womb-------------------(11th)
Yang 養 Nourishing/Gestation--------------(12th)

 

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relic

Thank you. I know that they are PinYin but somehow it's difficult to guess which alphabet the ? should represent. I like your translations. May I copy it?

Thanks, again.

[candlelight]

Hi all,
I would like to learn more about qi phases.... what does each phase mean? Any books/materials (in English) to recommend for reading?

[meek]

Hi All,
Just want to ask 2 questions
1. From what I understand about Qi Phases only growth, entry, peak and burial are supportive EB. Won't that means that you're more likely  not to get a good bazi chart?
2. If peak phase is Yang Ren and can hurt you, doesn't that further decrease your chances of getting a good chart?

Another thing... won't the use of progressive/reverse calculation of qi phases for Yin HS make a great difference to the qi phases obtained and hence the interpretation of a bazi chart?

  Am I making sense?

Post moved to SZBZ board - hope you will get a better response there as yours is a bazi question.

[meek]

On Saturday evening, after chatting about many interesting stuff with ace (including 12QP), I had some thoughts on this topic while traveling on the mrt (underground/metro).

Look at the 60 Jia Zi table, we find that HS1 Jia only pair up with EB1, EB11, EB9, EB7, EB5 AND EB3. Thus we have Jia Zi, Jia Xu, Jia Shen, Jia Wu, Jia Chen and Jia Yin. There will never be Jia Chou， Jia Hai，etc. This means Yang stems will only meet Yang branches, and Yin stems will only meet Yin branches.

From the above view, there seems to be a missing link in putting the 60 Jia Zi table together with either Yin Yang 12QP or 5 Elements 12QP tables. Does any one has any way to explain how and why?

Also, there are many questions like... how did 12QP come about? Is it meant to be used with 60 Jia Zi? Is it usable in other areas of five arts? Which are the areas? How about Na Yin 5 Elements?

[meek goes thinking again ]