Four Graveyard or Storage

[devadog]

Hi,

It seems to me that the four graveyard EB can have a "wild card" effect on any chart. When clashed open, the chart may function quite differently than it did before and so, perhaps the more such EB one has in the chart, the more erratic their life seems.

Or when one hits a luck cycle with one of these EB, then if a year or month clashes it open, it might be a "new ball game."

What do you think?

Robert

[relic]

Hi Robert,

Graveyard/storage can be Your piggy bank too. Still certain chart can be read according to these graveyards alone if their present are too significance. Certainly should not have too many in Your chart (3 &/or above). And only Chen and Wei go along.

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relic

[devadog]

Hello relic,

I suppose that whether having lashing graveyard EB in a chart can be good or bad depending on whether what is released is favorable or unfavorable to chart.
Still, if a chart has wei and chou, does it take some additional event to unlock the bank?

Robert

[relic]

Hi Robert,

Still, if a chart has wei and chou, does it take some additional event to unlock the bank?

Chou and Wei clash is known as Six Clashes (六沖). Any of these elements must not at the same time involve in Six Combinations (六合).

eg: Zi must not be present beside Chou, Wu must not be present beside Wei.

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relic

[devadog]

Thanks, relic!

It's hard sometimes for me to remember that it's a bit like chemistry:
not only because you have to always consider the environment in which reactions may (or may not) occur,
but because not all reactions are the same: an EB combination has enough attraction to limit or thwart an EB clash (and opposite for HS)

I do find it challenging to predict what the outcome will be when a "graveyard" EB is clashed open.
I seems to often be interesting but with six HHS "in play" how do we anticipate what they will do?

Robert

[relic]

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[devadog]

Hi relic,

The clash between Chou and Wei releases Yi wood and Xin metal. Assume that these two elements resulted from the clash, and when situation is favorable attention is focused on Xin metal.

Why are the smallest residual qi of each Branch what is released?
Does the other qi ( for ex. wu and xin of xu) mean that yang earth and yin metal are suppressed? That would also have implications for the person and the chart, wouldn't it, depending on which deities they represented.

As for Chen and Xu, Ding fire and Gui water are released, and Gui is what we are interested in.

Sorry  why are we interested in gui?

Robert

[relic]

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[devadog]

Oh relic! That's very clear!   

When Chou and Wei clash, it is actually Gui water in Chou and Ding fire in Wei that are in clashed

So it is a Seasonal clash...that's easy to remember


This has been a VERY useful lesson!  Thank-you, you cleared up many confusions for me

Robert

[devadog]

Still.....

So much for clashes

How do we read when a storage EB meets itself? Of course, Chen and Chen is punishment, but what of xu meeting xu....etc?
Being in storage is it just more un-usable qi unless another force can unlock it all?
Does it only add more Earth to the chart?


Robert

[devadog]

Glad more people have joined....perhaps a case study will help the discussion:

Female
Born June 29, 1934 at 2:03 EDT (so 12:47 true local time)

hour       day       month       year

wu        xin         geng        jia
zi          wei         wu         xu

1. Does the partial combination of wu and wei prevent wei-chou clash (in Luck cycle age 47)? Or does it somehow limit the effects?
    Does partial combination of wu and xu prevent xu-chen clash (Luck cycle age 17)? (Leaving aside the zi-chen combo at that time)

2. The natal chart has three qi sha, but two are in storage. Do we ignore them unless they are clashed open? At certain times, there can be five qi sha in the chart (although two may be in storage). So the effects would be dramatic if all were active!

If these qi sha are "locked up", then guan is not out of balance. But if they are to be counted in general interpretation - or weight of elements - then guan are too strong.

Your thoughts?

Rob

[relic]

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[devadog]

Thank-you relic, for continuing this study!

Combination without Transformation (He Er Bu Hua 合而不化)

Are all Six Combinations without transformation? I didn't know! I thought that wu-wei produced fire if transformation god present.

I do know her pretty well - she's my mother-in-law! - so I don't know about her belly but I'll have a good time asking

It looked like a strange chart to me, even as a beginner. A yin DM surrounded by yang pillars; so dry and overwhelming to DM.
I'll review her history in light of what you've said.

Robert

[relic]

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[RapaNui]

Wu/Xu will not have partial relationship as Wu already committed to Wei. In the presence of Chen, will clash with Xu before combining with Zi.

IMO the partial combi Wu+Xu has a preference before the 6combi Wu+Wei and the both need Fire Stem to succesful combination.
Also the partial combi Zi+Chen need Water Stem to succesful combination.
So....
if there isn't Water or Fire Stem the clash Xu-Chen and the clash Wei-Chou will be valid.
The 6combi Zi+Chou to Earth won't be valid cause the clash Wei-Chou has a priority.
 
Regards,