Four Graveyard or Storage

[relic]

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[devadog]

If it would help our discusion to ask any questions of the person whose chart I posted, let me know. As long as I'm inquiring about belly moles, the sky is the limit!

Robert

[relic]

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[r2lp]

Glad more people have joined....perhaps a case study will help the discussion:

Female
Born June 29, 1934 at 2:03 EDT (so 12:47 true local time)

hour       day       month       year

wu        xin         geng        jia
zi          wei         wu         xu

Rob

Let me try this analys this chart, since quite free a bit now:

I plot back again the chart as I was taught not to change to the true local time and take it as 2.03am.

thus below are the chart :
ji        xin   geng  jia
chou   wei   wu    xu

This chart consider too much earth bury the metal. Water will be her useful god as the chart consider hot & dry. Wood consider a positive star.

I see the clash mainly due to her charactheristic, as LP can come to triggered it. She very hard to have her own kid, perhap she did experience miscarriage. She always have disagreement or difference opinion with her children. She also have disagreement with her mother and found that her mother irritated but her mother influence her life very much.

 She have very tough & hard life during young esp hr 1st LP. Father not around in this LP as well. She don't have education achievement. Very young alr came to work due to financial condition.

Suppose current LP gui hai is good for her, enjoying her golden day as tis smooth life.

that only a small though...

[devadog]

I plot back again the chart as I was taught not to change to the true local time and take it as 2.03am.

Remember this is "daylight saving" time, so it is an invention. Whether you use 2:03amEDT or 1:03EST ("normal time") or 12:47 ("true local time") is the question.

She very hard to have her own kid, perhap she did experience miscarriage. She always have disagreement or difference opinion with her children. She also have disagreement with her mother and found that her mother irritated but her mother influence her life very much.

 She have very tough & hard life during young esp hr 1st LP. Father not around in this LP as well. She don't have education achievement. Very young alr came to work due to financial condition.

I'll ask her about miscarriage, etc. and let you know.

Difficult to answer about her relationship with children. She is a somewhat combative person, but really quite loved by children and friends.

What you write about her relationship with her mother is correct (from what she has said in the past).

Thanks r2lp for joining in!

Robert

[r2lp]

Uhhh..u r welcome, actually a have a bit free time, so seem to surf here & try my luck...

Difficult to answer about her relationship with children. She is a somewhat combative person, but really quite loved by children and friends.

disagreement in opinion/talk is because of the element itself in the hour branch palace. Dun forget that little water in the that useful for her.
 We still talking about those earths effect of this person...cos current LP show the water out from the graveyard. Even in natal chart showing her old age is better

Thinking how those earth give impact to this person.

[devadog]

Hi,

I have answers to our questions:

First - no moles on belly (there was one somewhere on the neck)

And

On Year pillar, Jia as Cai also denote father and Xu with Wu as Zheng Yin also denote mother. This Cai Star is weak and is unable to restrain Yin Star, possible denote weak relationship among parents.
     Parents disagreed most of the time. As you'd expect from the chart, mother was loud and firm, father would just walk away if it got ugly

On Month Stem, there is Jie Cai and is directly restraining weak Jia, this is also known as Ke (克財), possible resulted in the absence of father at young age. Also Jie Cai on Month Stem as unfavorable, Ji (忌), denote less sibling for this DM.
     Father was not physically gone, in fact they lived above the shop

Xu is sitting on Kong Wang (空亡), as Xu also denote storage/root for Xin, again showing Bi Jian in tomb and Kong Wang. This person may have lost a sibling (sister) in her early age.
     She does not know of any lost sibling

She's interested in learning more about her bazi!

Robert

[relic]

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[Yvonne (aka Keenlearner)]

I'm curious about this mole on belly thing coz.......... 

[Tweety]

I'm curious about this mole on belly thing coz.......... 

Huh?      What about this mole on the belly?    Is this obvious by reading the Bazi chart?    Please enlighten.
Thanks

[Rhizome]

IMO the partial combi Wu+Xu has a preference before the 6combi Wu+Wei and the both need Fire Stem to succesful combination.
Also the partial combi Zi+Chen need Water Stem to succesful combination.
So....
if there isn't Water or Fire Stem the clash Xu-Chen and the clash Wei-Chou will be valid.
The 6combi Zi+Chou to Earth won't be valid cause the clash Wei-Chou has a priority.
 
Regards,

Dear all

Just wondering..isn't Wu-Wei also makes part of the Seasonal Combo of Si-Wu-Wei?  In that respect, shldn't tht take priority over Wu-Xu aka Three Combo (San He)? 

Curious
Rhizome

[learnerforlife]

interesting to see how this case seems to be confusing as there are so many factors to consider.

but relicm, you said;

Hour pillar of Wu Zi is having what known as Stem Branch mutually combine (Gan Zhi Xiang He 干支相合), that is Gui water in Zi is combining with Wu earth of Stem to form Fire.

By the way, do You know this person well? According to some theory, she might be having mole(s) on her abdomen around belly area.

------relic

Can you tell us excactly what this means? I have the same hour pillar, so interesting for me to know this.
Of course it must mean different things depending on which of the 10 gods those elements represent, right?
In my case it is the zheng guan and shi shen that it represents, but in her case it is zheng yin and shi shen.
Isn't this kind of heavenly combination between HS and EB considered very strong bond?

And what is the theory of the mole on her abdomen? why? because of wu zi pillar, or something else?

[Scorpiez]

I wrote this on my thread and thought it could be helpful if it's posted here as well.

My five cents!

'未刑丑　丑刑戌　戌刑未　為持勢之刑' or Ox-Dog-Ram punishment

The words 持勢 mean:
持 - to grasp; to hold; support; manage; direct; maintain

勢 - power, force; tendency

Place them together and they literally mean, 'To hold Power'.

I was taught that individuals who had Ox-Dog-Ram in their charts are generally rude, rebellious, unreasonable, secretive, vindictive, possess 杀气 or cunning aura and muti-faceted personalities. (Quite Yi(乙)Wood but read clearly and you'll know that it's not, but more than that - Different territoriy altogether.)

You guys may be thinking, 'This combination is basically an Earth combination; Aren't Earth people suppose to be kind, supportive because it's nourishment'. Uh huhhh...true. But we're talking about the Earthly Branches here, not Heavenly stems of Wu/Ji and so there's no ceteris paribus ideality here.

Earth is also viewed as a Storage Pot (as you guys could understand better from another Thread on this in the forum as well - http://www.fivearts.net/index.php?topic=917.0) and contains 'treasures' that will be apparent or released whenever there's a clash. Yes, like 未刑丑　丑刑戌　戌刑未 - looks like Chaos as it's three-way rampage but the aftermath is nothing but POWER.

First, let's recap what's in 丑(Ox), 戌(Dog) and 未(Ram).

丑(Ox) - 己, Main Qi
Treasures: 辛 癸

戌(Dog) -戊, Main Qi
Treasures: 辛  丁

未(Ram) - 己, Main Qi
Treasures:  乙 丁

Now, Earth is also characterised with thoughts (ie thinking), being emotional and storage of emotions basically. But when Earth is being clashed, hohoho...imagine the release of emotions and instead it'll be the 'hidden treasures' that characterises the Chart Owner. Alternatively, you could imagine such a Chart owner being an Earth person in facet, ie quiet, unassuming and rather 'soft' an individual.

But guys, don't you all agree that it's such individuals who are always most dangerous? You don't know what the hell they're thinking and there's no avenue to follow their train of thoughts. They hide schemes, plots or intentions so well that you would least expect the stings. But unassuming as you may be, when the sting comes it'll be a little too late.

After all, the 'hidden treasures' in the Earth include numerous of the scheming, manipulative, calculative and lethal stems of yeah yeah...辛Xin and 乙Yi. You would most likely have your hands full with either a 辛 or a 乙 so just imagine a Combo. Plus, with 丁Ding Fire things become even trickier. Such an individual in addition to the 乙 Wood ability already, will have a very sensitive gift of leverage ie have a good sense of when to retreat or attack. (important for battles!) - remember how Ding Fire can be a light that leads in darkness or a raging bush fire that wipes out land?

This is how 命理乾坤 describes the individual with this Tri-combination:

Fearless

Resistent against adversities and enemies

Hardworking and is able to survive under any circumstances

Is able to plot and win the favours via the gift of gab

Tricky

Scheming, adroit plotters and can be ruthless in achieving goals

Destructors who 'pour oil over fire'

Can be cheap and be involved in scandals

Extremely calculative and have a great eye for manipulation

Can be so intimidating even for the rich/influential

Owner of this combination is bad for spouse.

Toughens and empowers Owner's character.

On another negative note, 命理乾坤's descriptions has also rendered me with the idea that these individuals make the worst bullies and are more than capable in being mischievous trouble makers. Urghhh...I weren't want to cross them.

Cheers!

Scorpio.Matrix.

[Rhizome]

I wrote this on my thread and thought it could be helpful if it's posted here as well.

My five cents!

'未刑丑　丑刑戌　戌刑未　為持勢之刑' or Ox-Dog-Ram punishment

The words 持勢 mean:
持 - to grasp; to hold; support; manage; direct; maintain

勢 - power, force; tendency

Place them together and they literally mean, 'To hold Power'.

I was taught that individuals who had Ox-Dog-Ram in their charts are generally rude, rebellious, unreasonable, secretive, vindictive, possess 杀气 or cunning aura and muti-faceted personalities. (Quite Yi(乙)Wood but read clearly and you'll know that it's not, but more than that - Different territoriy altogether.)

You guys may be thinking, 'This combination is basically an Earth combination; Aren't Earth people suppose to be kind, supportive because it's nourishment'. Uh huhhh...true. But we're talking about the Earthly Branches here, not Heavenly stems of Wu/Ji and so there's no ceteris paribus ideality here.

Earth is also viewed as a Storage Pot (as you guys could understand better from another Thread on this in the forum as well - http://www.fivearts.net/index.php?topic=917.0) and contains 'treasures' that will be apparent or released whenever there's a clash. Yes, like 未刑丑　丑刑戌　戌刑未 - looks like Chaos as it's three-way rampage but the aftermath is nothing but POWER.

First, let's recap what's in 丑(Ox), 戌(Dog) and 未(Ram).

丑(Ox) - 己, Main Qi
Treasures: 辛 癸

戌(Dog) -戊, Main Qi
Treasures: 辛  丁

未(Ram) - 己, Main Qi
Treasures:  乙 丁

Now, Earth is also characterised with thoughts (ie thinking), being emotional and storage of emotions basically. But when Earth is being clashed, hohoho...imagine the release of emotions and instead it'll be the 'hidden treasures' that characterises the Chart Owner. Alternatively, you could imagine such a Chart owner being an Earth person in facet, ie quiet, unassuming and rather 'soft' an individual.

But guys, don't you all agree that it's such individuals who are always most dangerous? You don't know what the hell they're thinking and there's no avenue to follow their train of thoughts. They hide schemes, plots or intentions so well that you would least expect the stings. But unassuming as you may be, when the sting comes it'll be a little too late.

After all, the 'hidden treasures' in the Earth include numerous of the scheming, manipulative, calculative and lethal stems of yeah yeah...辛Xin and 乙Yi. You would most likely have your hands full with either a 辛 or a 乙 so just imagine a Combo. Plus, with 丁Ding Fire things become even trickier. Such an individual in addition to the 乙 Wood ability already, will have a very sensitive gift of leverage ie have a good sense of when to retreat or attack. (important for battles!) - remember how Ding Fire can be a light that leads in darkness or a raging bush fire that wipes out land?

This is how 命理乾坤 describes the individual with this Tri-combination:

Fearless

Resistent against adversities and enemies

Hardworking and is able to survive under any circumstances

Is able to plot and win the favours via the gift of gab

Tricky

Scheming, adroit plotters and can be ruthless in achieving goals

Destructors who 'pour oil over fire'

Can be cheap and be involved in scandals

Extremely calculative and have a great eye for manipulation

Can be so intimidating even for the rich/influential

Owner of this combination is bad for spouse.

Toughens and empowers Owner's character.

On another negative note, 命理乾坤's descriptions has also rendered me with the idea that these individuals make the worst bullies and are more than capable in being mischievous trouble makers. Urghhh...I weren't want to cross them.

Cheers!

Scorpio.Matrix.

Hey Scorp

Kudos - as usual you've taken a vry creative (if unorthodox) stance at layering Bazi.  Just so I'm following - you're citing the Ox-Dog-Ram i.e. Chou-Wei-Xu combo within the context of a Yi or Xin DM?  Or for all? 

Wht happens if, instead of these 3 combos, one has two Chens (not side by side, but separated by anothr EB).  Wht cunning do both Wu main qis in Chen holds?  Or are there more than meets the eye besides Wu?

Btw, cld u be such a dear & included the 'Eng' version when u cite the EBs..cos' I've got some prob. with my Chinese trans. software, so I can't see 'em.

Thanks, ya.

Rhizome

[Scorpiez]

Hey Scorp

Kudos - as usual you've taken a vry creative (if unorthodox) stance at layering Bazi.  Just so I'm following - you're citing the Ox-Dog-Ram i.e. Chou-Wei-Xu combo within the context of a Yi or Xin DM?  Or for all? 

Thank you!

Yes, the Ox-Dog-Ram it is and for all context. Though, if you were to consider this combo will be slightly more beneficial for Yi/Xin DM. 

Wht happens if, instead of these 3 combos, one has two Chens (not side by side, but separated by anothr EB).  Wht cunning do both Wu main qis in Chen holds?  Or are there more than meets the eye besides Wu?

I think the Dragon(s) will not accumulate to -  or as far as Bazi has enlightened us - any of a Combo that what we're talking about here. Don't really dare to explore beyond the boundaries of Ox-Dog-Ram because I don't think I know enough to attempt yet.  Oh that is unless the dragons are side by side:P

Btw, cld u be such a dear & included the 'Eng' version when u cite the EBs..cos' I've got some prob. with my Chinese trans. software, so I can't see 'em.

Sure, will take note of that and make the adjustments in future! 

Thanks, ya.

Thank you for reading!

Rhizome

Hi Rhizome,
               Cheers! Replies in purple.   

SM